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- From: astroboy@netspace.net.au (Paul Dossett)
- Newsgroups: comp.sys.amiga.applications
- Subject: Re: Is MUI processor intensive?
- Date: 27 Feb 1996 05:36:06 GMT
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- Ben Anderson (shepssc@sheppnews.com.au) said:
-
- >I too HAVE to use MUI. I have a reasonably fast computer (40mhz '030 and a
- >1200) and I believe that MUI significantly degrades the usability of the
- >amiga. I mean, here is a great computer, with a nice tightly coded operating
- >system, and then this big, bulky, chip-ram eating, slow (!) gui package comes
- >out that means you can't effectively multitask in an 18meg 1200.
-
- Well, I don't want to burst your bubble, but your A1200/030/40 is hardly a
- fast computer by modern standards. Sure, it's faster than a stock system but
- that only shows the solemn state the Amiga is in at present.
-
- > Example. I load workbench (64c screen, 676x512) -leaves 1.4mchip.
- > Load any mui program (mosaic, ibrowse, amftp, amirc, etc) and that
- >takes me down to about 900k.
- > That slows the computer to a crawl because you have so many subtasks
- >under mui.
-
- Sure, 030s are too slow for what MUI is trying to do. So don't try it.
- Ignore all the crap MUI tries to foist on you. If you have to use it, turn
- all the stupid options off.
-
- >way I could have 5 or 10 screens open (like I can without mui). Either that
- >or someone needs to design a parallel processing accellerator for all amigas
- >(1200 included) with a graphics card included to overcome the screen
- >problems.
-
- Or perhaps you should have bought something a little larger?
-
- > As an aside, does anyone know of a program that can swap chip ram out
- >to fast ram, as by the time I have 13 BYTES of chip ram left I still have
- > ^^^^^
- >10meg of fast ram. Surely you only need the frontmost screen in chip for the
- >graphics chips to be happy. yes, I know that would slow screen swaps, but I
- >have 25Mb/s from fast ram, and 3.5Mb/s to chip. That means it would take a
- >little bit more than half a second to swap the whole 2mb's to fast.
-
- CyberGraphX does a similar thing, if you could use a GFX card. I haven't
- heard of anything else that does this, as screens are quite capable of
- changing in the background.
-
- >Either that, or has someone come up with a design for a combined
- >accellerator/graphics card for the 1200's expansion slot. PLEASE, PLEASE :)
-
- There is the Graffiti box, but I know very little about it.
-
- >At the moment, I may be forced to sell the 1200 for an IBM compat. so I can
- >use massive screens (1024x1280 over 2x my amiga, 4x area!). Yes I know. Buy
- >a 4000, a graphics card, etc, etc. but the price escom are asking is MILES
- >too restrictive. 5700 $A for an '060, 6mb ram, 1gig hd. Then add about 950
-
- Um, why not buy a secondhand 3000, slap a $600 '040 card in it, and a graphics
- board?
-
- About $1800, SCSI, a fair amount of RAM, fast graphics.
-
- You don't *need* AGA.
-
-
- >for a graphics card. 6650 $A. Then add about 400 $A for extra ram. 7050.
- >Yes, I get a machine that is faster than your average P100 for raw processing
- >power (about the same as a P200 when you take into acount win95 crap),
- >graphics that are better than your average 4mb vram diamond stealth, but for
- >what price. For HALF that price I can get a p166, 16mb ram, 4m diamond
- >stealth, 16bit soundcard, 6spin CD'rom, software, couple of hard disks (1gig
- >each), etc etc etc. Linux, OS/2 and Win95 would all be options. Reasonable
- >fast, can open up loads of programs in any of them with Vmem and have the
- >whole thing zippy for half that price. If I add the extra in, I could get a
- >4spin cd'rom writer, a decent laser printer, a massive stereo system (screw
- >those pissy PC speakers ;) Please someone, tell a once devoted amiga user
- >that there is more for amigas. Six months ago, I had everyting I wanted.
- >Now I am missing chunky mode games, internet access that I can have more than
- >3 clients happening at a time, networking, nice large, 24bit screenmodes,
- >16bit sound.
-
- There is nothing for the Amiga. AT *claim* to have amazing plans, but even
- the usually buoyant and enthusiastic Amiga community are rumouring that the
- new A1300 has been cancelled. Software companies are leaving the Amiga
- like it's a plagued city. Buy a PC if that's what you require. I will
- probably be forced to within the next couple of years (keeping my Amigas).
- The Amiga has lost its way, unfortunately.
-
- Oh, don't discount PowerMacs, either.. :)
-
- >Sorry for throwing all of this at you, but I am depressed about the sad state
- >of affairs the amiga is in right now. PowerPC based amigas won't be around
- >for another year, or two, and new graphics chipsets are not likely. Maybe my
- >only option is to buy a powerpc based mac, and hope that the amiga goes CHRP
- >in the future.
-
- Yes, that sounds like the only option. I hope AmigaDOS goes CHRP, because we
- just cannot compete at present against the PClone prices.
-
-
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